[00:00:00] Dr. Awad: Hello, my vibrant friend, and thank you for being with me today on the podcast. I'm thrilled to have a fellow physician who I know through the real estate world, Dr. Ann Tsung, and she is going to talk to us today about productivity, time management, and all the things that all of you professional women are usually working on, and if you're not, struggling with it, you're tweaking it right to make things better for your days.
So let me tell you a little bit about Ann Sung. She is an ER critical care doctor, a full-time NASA flight surgeon. She is a podcast host where she talks about issues of productivity, and she is a peak performance productivity coach for physician entrepreneurs. Thank you so much for being here today.
[00:00:52] Dr. Tsung: Yeah, thank you, Heather, for having me. It's a great honor to be here, talking to your audience about productivity, peak performance, anything that has to do with getting time back.
Dr. Awad: Great. Well, tell us a little bit about what you do with people and what your business is.
[00:01:04] Dr. Dr Tsung: Yeah. So I am a full-time flight surgeon at NASA. So, you know, my part-time is I'm a peak performance productivity coach for a physician entrepreneur so that they can unlock at a minimum 10 hours a week, so they can scale their business, spend time with their family as their non-negotiables, and do the things that they love.
On the side, I'm also a podcast show host for Productivity MD. And I invest in real estate, initially was active, but became passive after really honing and focusing on coaching. Also, I live in Houston with my husband, and now currently we have a 20-month-old toddler, which, you know, actually, thanks to him, after his birth, that's what actually 10x my productivity even further, surprisingly.
[00:01:53] Dr. Awad: Yeah, yeah. So what was it about having a kid that made you 10x your productivity?
[00:02:01] Dr. Tsung: Well, so before that, I was already efficient. I was focused. If I had a goal, like I would just go for it, take micro steps, and get there. For example, becoming a flight surgeon took me, I mean, I set the goal when I was 19.
So I was really good at getting to the goal and developing a plan to get there, and then every day is pretty planned out until the baby came and then the plans just don't work out the way you want it to. You could barely order one. It's like, I need wipe warmers. And I was like, I just have to wait till one nap to get the wipe warmers and ordered on Amazon.
So yeah, it didn't work out. And then I was doing real estate. We were underwriting, you know, eight-unit properties, 17-unit properties. It just, we weren't making traction. And I felt like my identity was kind of lost as a type-A person, maybe, or high-performance professional. My identity was lost, and I became a mom.
I was feeding, cleaning, pumping, and the other time sleeping.
[00:03:06] Dr. Awad: There's a lot of chaos there in that world too, right?
[00:03:10] Dr. Tsung: Yeah. So, you know, two months in, I think when the baby was two months in, I reached out to my coach and I was like, there's got to be another way, and that's when I further accelerated my productivity by outsourcing ruthlessly.
I hired an executive assistant, I hired a social media team, I heard I switched over a podcast team that could do more and house manager. And currently, we have a chef who comes to meal prep as well, a house manager who deals with adult and baby stuff too. And so essentially just outsourced everything so I could focus on raising the baby but having other people to help me progress in my other professional goals.
[00:03:51] Dr. Awad: Nice, nice, that's really cool. So those are some ideas and what, you know, when you work with people, you tell them, I'm going to help you create 10 hours, I mean, what are some of the strategies for that?
[00:04:04] Dr. Tsung: The first thing we usually do is really focusing on, there are media strategies and there are long-term strategies.
The simplest way is to see what you can eliminate. And the first thing we do is look at a life vision. So what that means is that we look at where you want to be in your life when you're 85, 90, with full vibrant vitality, health, mental capacity. Then we look at who do you want to spend your time with, how much passive income or current business you have, what are you contributing to, what hobbies do you have, what are you learning, what subjects are you learning or instrument or what are you reading, what impact have you had or what you want to have in the world?
What are you teaching? If you have kids or grandkids, what are you teaching them? And how is the relationship with their spouse? So those are just initial examples of the details like we drilled out into. And then we look at what you're currently doing right now, and if it's even going to take you there.
If it's not even going to take you there, then we eliminate it, or we pivot so that we can actually get you there. So that's really the first step. And then drilling down to five goals of the year. First one should be you. Second should be a spouse if you have any. Third one should be your kids if you have any.
And then maybe two professional goals. And then we pick one major goal, and then we just go for it for the rest of the year. And then most importantly, where we take a look at a time audit after that, a time audit of what you're doing through the week, through the day, and then seeing how you structure things and seeing what can be delegated, eliminated, and what cannot be, and then see how we can outsource that out.
That's really the main strategy. And then on top of that, it is practicing discipline, mindset, and distraction-proofing your environment. And supercharging your sleep because with enough sleep, then you have the discipline and with enough sleep, you can finish your top three priorities in 30 minutes to an hour versus five hours.
[00:06:13] Dr. Awad: Nice. Nice. So tell me what a spouse goal is. What's a, what would be a spouse, an idea for a spouse goal?
[00:06:21] Dr. Tsung: Yeah, I can tell you mine for this year, actually. I said I want to increase communication, compassion passion, fun with my husband.
I want to create just a non-judgmental relationship with non-violent communication. So what that means is that, you know, we, we, I'm focused on coaching. He's focused on real estate. But in
the past, you know, I still help out a little bit in real estate. And then we have very different working styles.
And then also with the baby too, when the baby came, you know, it was like a 50-50, it used to be like a more 50-50 split and now we just delegated what our strong suits are and then we take ownership of that 100 percent but sometimes that 50-50 split sometimes comes in and sometimes when you're tired you become you, you have assumptions and you blame.
You know, you go into the blaming mode, like, you know, your spouse not doing enough, etc. So this year is really to create that, to drop that judgment for me and my spouse, and then have regular weekly Sunday fun, what we call Sunday fun day sessions where we talk about number one, what we're grateful for each other the past week.
Number two, kind of looking at the upcoming week, the support I need. From you. So that's increasing communication and that's a productivity peak performance tactic as well to touch base with your spouse on Sunday or Saturday to look for the support that you need. So there's no miscommunication, like who's picking up who, who needs to be home by when.
And then the third thing is we plan celebration, fun activities together.
[00:08:05] Dr. Awad: You know, that's, I think that does kind of fall by the wayside when we get so busy and we, and, and then you add kids into the mix. You know, that friendship, not keeping the friendship going, you know, when you don't do the fun things.
[00:08:19] Dr. Tsung: Yeah. Yeah. I would say sometimes we just can't plan. We've been with each other for so long that you can't think of anything novel anymore except to go out to eat, right? Even if you, if you, like, have a date, weekly day schedule, you're just like, oh, let's go eat or whatever. Yeah. I, there is a book called Couple's Adventure Challenge on Amazon.
It's a scratch-off date book. I don't know if you've heard of it before. There's one for a family, but we get ideas, we scratch it off, and then we alternate planning weekly. We have nannies. com, we have weekly lunch dates, and then we have weekly weekend dates, and we have a nanny that comes to cover for four to six hours.
And so as an example, yesterday I scratched off this adventure date book, and essentially the idea was we went to a park sidewalk. I bought sidewalk chalk for the very first time in my life. I think I've never done that. We were just beginning. And then we both laid on the ground that we traced each other's like pose on the ground.
And then essentially we had to draw in each other's tracing on the floor to how we felt about each other.
[00:09:30] Dr. Awad: Oh, that's so sweet. I love that. It's beautiful.
[00:09:33] Dr. Tsung: Yeah. Yeah, so it was like a beautiful park. We both drew various things. And then we talked about what this meant to us. And so it was a great start to a date.
And then it's so funny what he drew was, he drew like, he put a rock and then he drew a star, which is like a rock star. He picked up a pebble and put it in there. That's great. Just check it out for, you know, whoever's listening. If you're, like, tired of ideas or coming up with creative novel, it's really the novelty that you want in the relationship.
When you have a stable relationship, you're less stressed, you can be more productive. This is why we're also talking about this, too, because you're now stress eating so much, perhaps. Check out, and this saves you time from planning, too, so check out this book and see what you think.
[00:10:19] Dr. Awad: Great, great. I'll make sure we have it in the show notes.
So okay, that'll be amazing. So how do we, you know, delegating, I see what you're saying about delegating is a great way to get more time. And I'm, I'm really impressed at how far you've gone with this. And how do you, with your clients, do they, are they willing to go all the way to delegate all the things or are there there.
Yeah. You know, pieces that they want to keep or I don't know, what do you, what do you find?
[00:10:47] Dr. Tsung: There's a spectrum of both. I think it takes time to gain the trust for the, your assistant to gain your trust. And then sometimes you're not really quite sure what can be delegated. So I would say that I have people who have definitely learned more and more That if it's not in their zone of genius, what we call it, what they've been trained up to the highest capability, then they're always thinking, can I, can I have, you know, my assistant do it?
Can my assistant do it? How, if not, how can he or she learn how to do it? And a lot of times also. We often think, I think the major roadblock is, well, before that was trust. You build up the trust, you sign a confidentiality agreement. Number two is you feel like you have to learn something. Learn a system, learn social media, learn this, learn this before you can teach your VA.
Though it's actually the other way around. Either you hire an expert VA who is an expert at short-term rental management like mine, who managed my short-term rental for four years before. She's also done You know, coaching her prior client has done coaching for years, so she knows how to interact with, you know, coaching clients.
Or you hire a very resourceful growth mindset VA who's very motivated and they go learn and they take the course and they go teach you. For example, I have my assistant learn a course on leads. Offers QuickBooks. I show her real estate. Well, actually, my first assistant didn't know cash on cash calculator.
So I showed him how to log into the course to do the cash on cash, etc.
[00:12:28] Dr. Awad: So evaluating real estate deals for people who don't know that world.
[00:12:32] Dr. Tsung: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you can hire an expert or you can hire somebody who's willing to learn for you.
[00:12:39] Dr. Awad: Nice. You know, I think sometimes when people are starting their businesses small, you, you do do a lot of the things I've gotten to the point now where my, my staff you know, there are enough, you know, new versions of the programs we were using that I went in to do something myself and I thought, I, I mean, I thought this is a win.
I don't know how to do this anymore. I can't, they've changed it. They've changed the pathway
. I don't know how it works. What the heck am I doing in this program? You know, my you know, I have a VA that does this and is an expert at it. So it's yeah, it is a, it is very a nice way to do things.
[00:13:14] Dr. Tsung: Yeah. Cause you're a zone of genius coaching and that's where you want to. Be that your zone genius is like, you know, it's actually targeting one on one interaction or group interaction, not the back end system of how everything works to get you to where they are or booking or calendar management, etc.
[00:13:33] Dr. Awad: Yeah, one of the things I found too is some things that, like, I felt at times oppressed by, like, cooking all the time because healthy food is very important to me. But now I cook three days a week, so when I go in to, you know, get out the vegetables and start chopping the onion, I'm, I'm like, this is amazing.
I love it. And then I'm, the other days, you know, someone else is doing it or we've ordered something or. So finding that, that balance too, where, you know, you're keeping the things that you like or in a manner that you like and
[00:14:06] Dr. Tsung: Yeah, yeah, that's actually another one of the obstacles actually that I see in some of my clients when they want to outsource some, you know, cooking for example.
They feel like they don't want to teach somebody. How to cook or your, their flavors and things like that. That's very, very common. And and definitely there's a training phase that goes along with it initially for them to learn your taste. But it is possible. I've trained my house manager and prior, you know, I have a full time, more full time one and two part time ones.
And they've all been able to take your instructions when you have like a manual or a checklist of your food principles. For example. Oh, nice. Yeah. Yeah. And then the chef as well. They're currently, I do have a professional chef just kind of take the burden from the house manager who does baby and adult meal prep.
And he's learning. It's been about two months, maybe he's still learning because the baby keeps changing. So we're just like, we're just like, think of ideas to, to, to trick him to eat things. But eventually. Eventually, you'll realize that when you don't have to worry about things like that, when things are set in the manual and people just know to cook things to a certain degree, you know, so not overcook it, or you know, you like high fat, high vegetables, high acid, or whatever.
That's, well, that's me. It really can set you free and that's the reason why I can do this podcast and or that's the reason I can do coaching. It's because all my food is already ready to go and it's just heated on the hot plate ready for me whenever I'm done with this podcast.
[00:15:38] Dr. Awad: Nice. Do you find that people are surprised at what they're spending their time on when they're, when they do the time audit or when they've, you know, say, I can't, I don't have time to do the things I want to do?
[00:15:51] Dr. Tsung: Yes. For example, there was one mom who was deep into real estate as well professionally. She realized that she was spending 17 hours a week doing household stuff. Not just, not like spending time with kids, not that. It's the grocery shopping, it's meal prepping, it's cleaning. And it's just like, so many things you have to organize or talk to the school, talk to the coaches, or talk to whatever classes, you know, that the kids are in. You're the first point of contact.
So 17 hours a week, that is quite a bit. That is like, if you're counting weekdays, that's like three hours a day that you could free up. The biggest barrier is that I can do it faster than other people, than if I teach, or nobody else can do it as well as I can. Essentially, or the way I want. That's another limiting mindset that I, I see a lot.
So depending on what your hourly rate is and your current job, like for example, a physician has an hourly rate, let's say on average, maybe 200 an hour, they're spending 600 a day. On average, if they're doing three hours a day on these housework, grocery shopping, they're spending 600 a day.
That's crazy. That's, that's like 3,500 a week. That's something where you can just, 3,500 a week. I'm just like doing this real time now. That's like over 10k, 14k a month. That's crazy. I think, you know, if you think a bit like that, but if you can outsource to an assistant, outsource to a house manager, cleaner, nanny, whatever, driver, hiring drivers for your kids too.
And then you can free up at least, imagine if you have three hours extra to think about your business idea, to scale, to create courses, to dive into real estate, to dive into deals, etc.
[00:17:45] Dr. Awad: I love that you point that out about how much you're, how much you would get paid for your work because sometimes people say, well, I can't afford the, You know, I can't afford this assistant, or I can't afford this help, and when you look at comparing it to what you get paid, then maybe you, you know, can't afford not to, or all of a sudden, even someone who's a little higher priced in that position looks like a very good deal now.
You're in the Midwest, we're always looking for a good GL Anne, so I have to say that.
[00:18:18] Dr. Tsung: So as an example, I don't know if this is going to be considered a lot or not a lot, you know, in other parts of the country. I started my house manager at 20 an hour, gave her a raise up to 22 an hour and then the assistant can range from, you know, Four to six to expert level ten an hour, you know, that is I think less than US minimum wage, right?
Right, right. Yeah, from the Philippines, from the Philippines. So just imagine, you know, Let's say 5 an hour or 40 a day somebody can do things for you for eight hours a day. I mean, that's amazing. And then if you hire an expert level VA, Maybe 10 an hour, 80 a day, who's going to be doing all this leading, who's going to lead you to where you want to go, and who takes away the planning for you.
I mean, that will just scale you, whatever you want to do faster, or, or maybe it's worth it to pay so you actually spend quality time with your kids, which is a big part of why I hired somebody when I outsourced it, so I don't have to, instead of washing pump parts and bottles. I am playing with my child. Like, you know, I think it's just like, it's worth the money for me.
It's really precious for me. I often tell my clients that you will get to the same results, but you're paying either with your time or you're paying money. And outsourcing is the one way to get time back, to buy back time, essentially.
[00:19:47] Dr. Awad: Yeah, nice, nice. Since you work with physician entrepreneurs, do you find that they have trouble setting boundaries on their time?
Like, if they want to spend more time with their family, but of course, when you have a business, you can think about it 24/7, right?
[00:20:02] Dr. Tsung: Yes, a lot, all the time. And I think that is probably one of the reasons why maybe some of them are not as productive because, you know, people work really good under pressure and they get things done.
And then, you know, time, the amount of time you spend on something just kind of expands out to the amount of time you give it. Right. So as an example, if you don't have a shutdown routine, if you don't force yourself to cut off at like four or 5pm, then you will just keep like, keep going and like dilly dally around until four or 5pm.
But if you tell yourself that I have, you know, night before we set the top three priorities, and those top three priorities, at least one or two need to move the needle on your top five goals or your One big goal. And if you set a time that you absolutely had to finish one or two or maybe all three by 8 am before you actually start your work, then you would have won for the day.
Alright, so that is one way I do it. I split my days into quadrants, wake up, my ideal wake up time is 4:30, 5 am, cold shower do my bulletproof matcha. Start on my top three priorities until 8 am, and then go to work at NASA. And then later on, my cutoff time is strict at like five o'clock. And then from five to seven, well, really, I don't do any work after five, five to 7:30 is like baby time.
And then 7:30 and on maybe nine is like reflection time, relaxing time husband, because if you work on your work before bed, you're often ruminating. And then it's hard for you to go to sleep or you don't have restful sleep too. So it's wind-down time, blue blockers, all that.
[00:21:49] Dr. Awad: Nice. Nice. So blue blockers make me think about technology.
So we're so easily distracted by technology. That's got to play into some of this time management stuff, right?
[00:22:00] Dr. Tsung: Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's huge. It's so huge because the distraction that people get from their dings and notifications just pulls them away. It took me a while to work on it myself. It does take massive action if you want to really distraction-proof your environment.
In the very beginning, when I first started
it, I would put my phone outside my office, I would get a kitchen timer and do a Pomodoro technique, which is a 25-minute work cycle, five-minute break, four cycles of that, then you do a 15-minute break, you go outside, look at nature, white space, or a screensaver, beautiful scenery.
And then now I've progressed to where I listen to brain.fm. It's a
there's a focus mode, recovery mode, I do the focus mode, it kind of entrains your brainwaves to like optimal brainwave state to help you focus. And then the massive action that accelerated my productivity is that I just have, I have a business phone, which helps me if that's on.
That's okay. My personal phone, there's usually no notifications or all the badges are turned off. I have no red little badge icons with numbers, you know, trying to get my attention. There's nothing that comes to no lock screen notifications, no drop-down, the one that flashes down. There's like nothing in all of the inbox.
Basically how, I don't know if you'll be able to see this. It's also in black and white.
[00:23:27] Dr. Awad: Oh yeah, put it at the grayscale,
[00:23:30] Dr. Tsung: yeah, yeah. It's always in grayscale. And then if you look at my home screen, you can't see this if you're listening to this, but if you look at my home screen, there's minimal apps, and there's no messaging on it either.
Like, you don't see text message, only the phone. All the messaging goes into the second screen, there's an inbox category. So then the inbox category has message, WhatsApp, Messenger, Skype, Discord, whatever, all the emails. All the apps. So, they don't, again, have any notifications of new things coming in, and I batch check them maybe twice a day, if I have to, then three times a day.
But it's always batch checked, like, okay, now I'm ready, I finished my top three, now I'm ready to check on these messages. Because sometimes throughout the day, I do have to check messages with my assistant too. So, that's when I batch check it. But yeah, I think that would be the biggest thing. If you really want massive action, maybe get a separate business phone.
And so people can reach you for emergencies. And when people call me, they will reach me through my personal too, if they have emergencies. But otherwise, turn off everything else. And you'll realize that no emergency, rarely there's, I mean, I haven't had an emergency that happened. And people won't text you if there's an emergency.
[00:24:46] Dr. Awad: Right, right. Yeah, I love that. If you're, if anyone is curious about trying the grayscale on their phone, just google how to do it on your phone because it honestly, they hide it a little bit through a few steps because they don't really want you to grayscale and ignore your phone. But it's, it's there.
It's available.
[00:25:03] Dr. Tsung: Yeah, it's what we called, if you really want to be a distraction. Like a distraction ninja, you want to basically desensitize yourself from dopamine. And then grayscaling your phone is a way to desensitize yourself from the dopamine hits of these colors. That's one of them. Another way is, you know, on Sundays, you can just not look at your phone for the whole day, or maybe start with two hours or four hours or eight hours.
And then you realize nothing big ever happened when you didn't look at your phones.
[00:25:36] Dr. Awad: Yeah, so good. I actually I did grayscale my phone too. And then I would pick it up to do something and I looked at it gray. And then I think I don't think there's anything here I really need to do and put it down again.
I mean, it was really very powerful. Yeah, it's, it's so easy to be distracted.
[00:25:54] Dr. Tsung: Yeah, when you don't have even if you have the badges on with the numbers, but if your phone is grayscale, it's like it doesn't like call at call your attention so much, you know, like begging you to check. So I would say, yeah, if it's a one tip, I would grayscale your phone and it's a shortcut that you can change back and forth with photos and videos that you want to view.
Like it's a shortcut. You just click the button three times and it goes to color so you don't have to worry about it. I know some people are like, what if I need to look at, you know, photos and videos? Yeah. Yeah. It's a very quick switch. Okay, great. And oh, and then do not look at your phone the first, first 30 minutes of the day because then you'll be reactive instead of proactive until you've at least done one, hopefully all three top priorities first.
And that's why you set it the day before and pull up all of the items, slides, PDF documents, worksheets, whatever the night before. So you're not going to your email to find it and get distracted. And last thing I'll say is to download Inbox when ready for Gmail. It's a Chrome extension if you use Gmail.
I don't know if you've heard of that before, that extension. Do you use Gmail? I do. Okay. I, it's like my biggest productivity hack for email and you know, a lot, I don't know if you experienced this, but before that, I would be stressed out trying to go into my Gmail because I knew I was going to be distracted and reactive.
So once you download this extension, basically when you log in, it's blank, like nothing shows up. There's no email that shows up until you press the button to show inbox. When you're ready. So what I would do, I go in, I'm not distracted, it looks blank, it's beautiful, I just compose, or I search for the important emails from the person I knew I had to respond to, like important emails from real estate, maybe your property manager, or important emails from You know, I don't know, your university, your school, your hospital, the manager, and only those pop up and you just respond to those only and you close it out and then finish your top three priorities of the day.
[00:28:00] Dr. Awad: Oh, that's a good one. What's the name of that extension again? InboxWhenReady. InboxWhenReady. All right. This is also in the show notes if people want to look at this later. I haven't even heard of that. That is amazing.
[00:28:15] Dr. Tsung: Yes, it's like, now I can go into my email without, like, Always, like, you know, before was like, I have to have the discipline and have to have like, I have to fight it.
I have to fight it. I can't let
myself get distracted, but you're scared to go in because you know, you don't know if you're strong enough that day. Yeah, so true. Yeah, so this basically I have to look at it, yeah. Yeah, so it engineers that out. It's a system you install, engineers your own discipline out of the way.
[00:28:43] Dr. Awad: Nice. That's, that's good. Make it easy, right? I think a lot of people do look at their phones first thing in the morning and it's, yeah, it's a, it's a tough one. That's not that's a
[00:28:53] Dr. Tsung: gray scale. It'll be easier.
[00:28:56] Dr. Awad: Yeah. Good point. Good point. Good point. Yeah. It takes practice. If it's a new idea to you, definitely try not opening your phone when you wake up.
Cause that's a, that's a time suck for sure. Okay. And I love that you said that it makes you more reactive for the day too. So really you have sort of, I don't want to say you wrecked your day, but you have, you know, by staying away from it, you're going to have a better day. In general, right?
[00:29:22] Dr. Tsung: You are. Yeah.
Yeah. You're just not reacting to other people's requests. You're not letting other people's comments give you like, you know, start giving you attention residue. If that makes sense, you want a clear, clean slate at the beginning of the day to tackle what you already set out. The night before, then when you're ready, then in the afternoon, typically that's when I take calls and meetings.
Then when you're ready, all right, I'm ready. I already did my top three. Then you allow those requests to come in and then you, you can respond and serve and that's okay. But the, if you can just get one hour of focus time, like peak flow state time, it is better than four or five hours of distracted time of trying to finish something.
[00:30:11] Dr. Awad: Nice. Well, I think we should end there because if people like, if there's a lot in here, maybe you're going to want to go back and look at it again or take a listen again or read the transcript. But but I think you just, what you said was golden. If you can protect an hour in the morning to work towards your goals, that's really going to move the needle for you.
Thank you so much for being here and sharing all this.
[00:30:36] Dr. Tsung: Yeah, of course. And it's, it's really awesome to be here. And for the audience, you know, out of everything you've heard from this, please just pick one thing to do right after this. Don't wait until tomorrow or the next day, whether that's a Googling at a grayscale or phone, or whether that's downloading inboxwhenready extension, or Or in your head, set a non-negotiable time to cut off, shut down your computer or set a time that is non-negotiable in the morning, like, hey, for 30 minutes, first 30 minutes of the day, I will not look at my phone, and I will do one task that's going to move the needle on my priority.
And that, that would be, that would already change your trajectory exponentially. And one last thing I will say is a lot of people try to wake up early by cutting off their sleep early when they didn't go to bed early enough, and I would say I used to do that. Try to wake up at four or five to do things.
But now, if I happen to go to bed late, I still make sure I get an hour and a half of deep and REM sleep, you know, seven to eight hours. I wouldn't cut my sleep short just to think that maybe I will be productive because you'll be less productive that way, actually.
[00:31:47] Dr. Awad: Yeah. Thanks for saying that. I think it wasn't that long ago that that's what productivity people were saying.
Like, you know, just cut back on your sleep a little bit and that's, and we know that doesn't, that doesn't work.
[00:31:57] Dr. Tsung: Yes. Yes. That's like the foundation. If that's not right, nothing else is right.
[00:32:01] Dr. Awad: Yeah. Love that. All right. So Dr. Ann Tsung has been with us today and, and shared so much, so much gold here. So I really appreciate that.
And so some of you I know are thinking that you might want to work with her. So I will make sure that all her social media and website and everything, all the contacts will be in there that she would like to share. But Anne, could you also just say them out loud for people who are only going to listen?
[00:32:28] Dr. Tsung: Yeah, yeah, of course. So please go to productivitymd. com. Over there, you can find the links to the podcast. You can book a discovery coaching call with me to see if one on one coaching is actually right for you. Or you can contact me on social media platforms AnnTsungMD, T S U N G M D on Instagram, Facebook.
And we have like resources of like a resource list that we can share with you as well of everything that we talked about, things I sent to my clients, so I'm happy to share that with you.
[00:32:58] Dr. Awad: Terrific. Thank you again. Thanks everyone for being with us today. And I, I know that with all the professional women out there, there's a, there, if you picked one thing here, it could really make a big change in your, in your day and your week.
So thank you.
[00:33:13] Dr. Tsung: Thank you, Heather. Much, much appreciate the time and the presence of your audience. Thank you. Thank you.
